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May 08, 2006

The Immigration Debate

Here is my reply to a comment posted by Paul, a visitor to this website. He made some rather critical remarks concerning the current immigration debate in the United States that I felt warranted a thorough (aka: loooong) reply.

I invite you to add your own thoughts on the subject!

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Dear Paul,

Thanks so much for visiting my website.

You obviously have some passionate feelings about the immigration issue, and I appreciate the fact that you took the time to share them with us. As for my allowing you to post your comments on the site, I’m afraid it’s not a matter of “courage” but rather, humility.

The more I learn, the more I realize just how complex this world is. I am humbled by the many shades of gray that define the difficult issues, such as immigration. I certainly don’t pretend to have all the answers, and that’s why I post news and analysis from so many different authors. It is also why I always enjoy reading the comments that visitors, such as yourself, leave on the weblog or send via email.

First of all, and as a matter of introduction, I would like to share some of my background with you. I am a U.S. citizen, a New Yorker to be exact. I consider myself extremely fortunate to have been born in a country abounding with natural beauty, artistic creativity, cultural diversity, human ingenuity... and so much more.

Eating at a Chinatown or Little Italy restaurant in New York City... sipping a sweet iced tea on a porch in North Carolina... hiking the stunning Cascade Mountains of Washington State... listening to a live jazz performance in New Orleans... watching the sun set from atop the Sears Tower in Chicago... these are just a few of the gifts that I have received from living in the USA.

That said, however, I am more than just my nationality. In addition to being an American, I am also a son, brother, uncle, Christian, artist, activist, volunteer, etc. These parts of my “being” also guide me, motivate me, and inspire me... in short, they help define who I am.

I have also had the great privilege and pleasure of living in Guatemala for the past seventeen years (give or take a year or two). I could probably write a book on the lessons I’ve learned while living here... some were easy to grasp, others took a while. (Thankfully Guatemalans are very patient teachers!) These experiences also shape the person I am today.

And in the interest of total disclosure, I should also mention that I was absolutely blessed to be able to work for a couple of years at a migrant outreach center in Washington State called Tierra Nueva. It was there that my eyes were finally opened to the struggles and sacrifices of our nation’s migrant workers.

Well, Paul, you might be wondering where I’m going with this. What the heck does my background have to do with the immigration issue?

I think that at the heart of this issue is how we view the immigrants themselves. Many in the United States are quick to slap a label on them: “illegals”, “criminals”, “wetbacks”, “aliens”, or worse.

In short: not "us", but "them".

My experiences have led me to believe that the "us" versus "them" separation is a false one. Languages, customs, and even nationalities aside, I believe that there is more that unites us than divides us as human beings.

In Guatemala, for example, men and women work long hours for to provide for their families. Parents lovingly embrace their newborn babies. Children giggle as they dash around the playground. Seniors sit in lawn chairs in their front yard taking pleasure in the late afternoon sun. Students reluctantly do their homework, young couples sneak kisses, the ice cream man rings his bell, and the politicians in Congress are seen as being somewhat less than effective.

Sound at all familiar?

Once you begin to realize that there really is no such thing as “us” or “them”, it becomes all but impossible to ignore the suffering and struggles of other people... whether they be Latino, gay, Chinese, sick, Muslim, poor, Iraqi, handicapped, African, homeless, etc.

Once you begin to understand that we all depend on each other, then you will no longer want to close your heart, your door, or your border to those in need.

Once you begin to see every person as part of this family of humanity, you won’t want to build walls that separate, but rather build bridges that bring us together.

Paul, I truly hope that you will come to experience this feeling of belonging to something bigger than the United States... call it what you will: “compassion”, or “solidarity”, or “love for your neighbor”... it is a wonderful, life-changing experience!

Finally, because my reply to you took a turn for the philosophical, I should at least try to respond to some of the more concrete questions you raised.

You wrote: “Firstly, if you don't live in this country, keep your opinions to yourself.”

Well, OK, too late for that one.

You wrote: “The very first thing they ever did in the America was to become a felon by illegally crossing the borders.”

In a previous post I explained that while the United States depends on migrant labor, the possibility of a poor, or even middle class, Guatemalan receiving a work visa is virtually nil. Most immigrants who enter the US without a visa do so because they HAVE to, not because they WANT to.

No immigrant enjoys paying thousands of dollars to be smuggled across a deadly desert only to work without any legal protections, and to live in constant fear of deportation. The U.S. immigration system has been broken for many years. Hence the current debate in Congress.

You wrote: if you vote, then you can spew your U.N. approved rhetoric.

Sadly, Kofi Annan doesn’t proofread this website. My rhetoric is 100% my own.

You wrote: “until some natural disaster occurs...then they all want our money to help them out”

Did you know that Mexico sent disaster relief to assist the victims of Hurricane Katrina? Offers of aid also came from other countries and organizations such as: Belgium, Canada, Russia, Japan, France, Germany, Guatemala, Britain, China, Australia, Jamaica, Honduras, Greece, Venezuela, the Organization of American States, NATO, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Greece, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Mexico, South Korea, Israel, the United Nations, and the United Arab Emirates.

Here’s a quote from Union-Tribune:

"A Mexican army convoy crossed into the United States on Thursday [September 8, 2005] to bring aid to victims of Hurricane Katrina. ... Carrying water treatment plants and mobile kitchens that can feed 7,000 people daily, the convoy bound for San Antonio is the first Mexican military unit to operate on U.S. soil since 1846. Military engineers, doctors and nurses are among the 200 people headed to San Antonio."

You wrote: “Nor do they pay taxes”

That’s a common mistake. The truth is, though, that even undocumented workers pay taxes. They pay sales tax on everything they purchase: food, gas, clothing, etc. Agricultural workers are paid by check, with income taxes, even social security, deducted. The catch is that the workers are forced to use a fake Social Security number, so billions of dollars are pouring into the Social Security fund which will never be collected! These payments have helped maintain the solvency of the U.S. Social Security system. Also many immigrants ask the IRS for a special “tax ID number” so that they can legally file their returns, with the hope of someday becoming a U.S. citizen.

Here’s a quote from The Christian Science Mo

Posted by elcanche at May 8, 2006 11:20 PM
Comments

I have nothing to add to this, great response with solid arguments canche, my favorite:

"My experiences have led me to believe that the "us" versus "them" separation is a false one. Languages, customs, and even nationalities aside, I believe that there is more that unites us than divides us as human beings."

Posted by: jorgecab at May 9, 2006 03:38 AM

Very well said as always, Rob. I will be sharing your remarkable response with anyone who will listen! I hope that Paul has the "humility" to respond.
Susan

Posted by: Susan at May 9, 2006 06:17 AM

Rob, this is the one the best responses I have ever read about the immigration issue. Thanks for the philosophical reply and the fact-rich responses. Keep it coming, it is a pleasure to read such well-documented articles.

Posted by: Rudy Girón at May 9, 2006 08:19 AM

Wow Rob, what a response!! Thanks for sharing, and let's see if Paul responds again. Marisa

Posted by: Marisa at May 9, 2006 08:19 AM

Exelent argument canche. Saludos

Posted by: ale at May 9, 2006 05:34 PM

Excellent.. standing up and applauding. Sometimes americans dont even realize how good we have it. To call people trying to make a living for their families as criminals is plain asinine. Thanks Canche, keep it coming.

Posted by: Dan at May 9, 2006 07:03 PM

How proud I am that you are my son.

Posted by: Mom at May 9, 2006 08:47 PM

wonderful post -although one point of difference of information- i have worked with the latino migrant population since 1992 and in my experience since its inception in '96 the tax id number - has been more useful for the short term gratification - in that with this number for the filer and subsequent numbers for undocumented family members - spouses and children - the annual tax refund will potentially be 2 to 3 times what the original tax payment was for that year for the filer-so for this type of filer the withdrawal is much greater than the deposit...

Posted by: millicent at May 9, 2006 09:22 PM

Rob,
Let me first thank you for the insightful response. I have always thought that opinions, no matter how harsh, are meant to be shared and debated. Harsh opinions that are kept buried inside of us tend to be the origins of hatred. While I can be a bit harsh with my words, I always keep an open mind and try to learn from others...it's just been the way that I choose to live. The minute that I quit learning, either from books or others around me, there surely will be a funeral to plan.
One of the first things about your response that caught my attention was the fact that you are from the U.S. I was glad to see that you're well traveled, because even you would have to admit that the illegal immigration issue has little effect on the citizens of NYC. Please don't mistake my use of the words illegal immigration. I do not project that label on every immigrant who lives and works in this country. I am cognizant of the fact that our country was built upon the very backs of immigrants and the US most certainly would not be the same without those who came before us, immigrant or not, and who struggled and suffered to bring us to this point in time. Nationalized immigrants, much like the tobacco industry(that's another debate that I'll save mostly for another time and place...to all of those who are suing those companies - ever heard of personal responsibility?) have shaped this country and indeed date back to our very roots. I, like most Americans, harbor no ill feelings towards people of other nationalities who take the appropriate measures to enter and live within our borders legally. Although there are parts of the plan that I do not like, for the most part I agree with the documented worker plan that has been outlined by President Bush. But, in very plain terms...enough is enough. We simply cannot continue to allow this steady stream of people to flow into our country. Will certain industries suffer as a result? Most certainly. Will they disappear..absolutely not. And here is why. Like many(or all) that are reading this post, I have teens at home. Over the past few years I have noticed an alarming issue that seems to be inbedded within the very culture of the youths of today...they're lazy! Now, I have 2 teenagers who are above the age of 16 and they both have steady jobs. However, they both have friends...multiple friends..who do not work and have no immediate intentions of working. What is perhaps most amazing about it is that it seems to be a part of their culture, that is, they are not viewed discouragingly for being lazy. I have formed a hypothesis that the culture shift with regards to gainful employment is a direct result of the difficulty encountered when trying to enter the workplace. And that is a direct effect of illegal immigration. Many companies(and I do think that, if caught, they should all be heavily fined or taxed) have turned to illegal immigrants as a labor source ONLY because of the saving that they provide. Because they are undocumented, they do not have to pay Social Security, State or Federal taxes on them nor do they have to provide workers compensation insurance. I realize that prices will rise on certain items should we force everyone to use documented workers. That is a price that I am willing to pay to keep those that are undesireable out of our country. It's one thing to sit here and debate the plight of those honest people who are seeking a better life and do not want to wait in line to enter the country. However, we all know that everyone that is crossing the border is not an honest person. In fact, Mexico is more than happy to provide maps that indicate the desert watering stations in Arizona to those that they no longer want living within their own borders.
You mentioned that Mexico was one of the countries that lended support to the Katrina victims. I applaude them for that agree that, regardless of the area of the globe, we should all do what is right when it comes to a natural disaster. We are all a part of humanity and suffering(like that caused by the mudslides of Guatemala last year) is not something that should be easily dismissed. It just becomes difficult to digest when, as a country, we send millions in funds along with all of the other supplies to anyone who is in need and we are chastized by some others for not giving enough. Thank you for the support Mexico...but could you please keep your criminals and illegal drugs in your own country?
Thank you once again Rob for the forum and the chance to speak my mind. I would be interested in hearing what you thought about the plan that President Bush outlined last night with regards to our Southern border. Personally, I think that he might have found that seemingly perfect balance between mass deportation and an open border. I'm sure that he is being crucified by his own citizens today.

Paul

Posted by: Paul at May 16, 2006 08:29 AM
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